Posts by Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

by JW GoneBad in

wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

"elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

We asked experienced elders in some 20 Western lands to tell us why they think some young brothers shy away from accepting congregation privileges.

A few things of note:

If there are "experienced elders", that means that there are also "inexperienced elders". So they admit that not all elders are up to providing an answer to this question that the Corporation wants to hear.
By "experienced", I'm assuming they mean "old". So they asked the old elders what's going on with these young people. In my experience with old elders, they're usually pretty clueless about what what's going on with any of the younger generation.
And the Corporation is looking for hearsay, rather than any direct answers. Clearly there was no direct inquiry of these "young brothers". Instead, they look for the old-timers to guess what's the deal.

Among the answers received,one stands out: While they were growing up, some young ones were not encouraged to pursue spiritual goals.

Again, more things of note:

First and foremost, they don't say it is the most common answer, or frequent, or even that they heard it twice. It's only stated, "one stands out." What does that even mean? Since they say, "among the answers received," what were the other answers and why does this one stand out from them? I would assume that none of the other answers suited the purposes of the Corporation.
And they say, "some young ones". What's the stats there? 2 or 3 out of thousands? Basically, this whole thing is what is called "a fishing expedition." WT wasn't really looking for any real reasons. They were only looking for some old-timers that would repeat what they were already writing this article about.
Clearly, they are only looking to the "born ins" to shoulder these "congregation privileges". This makes it pretty clear that there isn't much growth coming from "the field".
Since they are pointing at guys born-in that are 20s to 30s, they are looking for those that would be the age of my children... if I had any. Since I was coming of age in the 1980s and an obedient WT drone. I was obedient to the direction about the blessings of singleness and "responsible childbearing in this time of the end". Of the kids born in that era, their parents were "spiritually weak" and weren't "paying attention to the nearness of the end of this system." And there were those kids of single moms or with UBMs. Those of us that were "strong JWs" and were obedient, didn't have kids. So why is the Corporation surprised that the "young brothers" this age weren't "encouraged to pursue spiritual goals"? Their parents weren't interested in "spiritual goals" themselves. Why would this be a surprise to anyone at WT? Didn't they read their litteratrash and attend their crapventions where marriage and kids were not in harmony with WT's purposes.

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Disfellowshipping Image

by naazira in

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this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

It looks like a real person surrounded by ghosts. The woman in blue is thinking, "I see dead people."

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Jehovah's Witnesses 2015 Regional Convention Saturday PM experience parents shunning children

by Watchtower-Free in

clip 3 minutes long.

ron and brenda sutton ................warwick 3 children

it was the missed association with family that brought them back.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Wow, that looks like such a tired, depressed couple.

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After 2 years my parents make contact. The end result is that I promise them to cryogenically preserve ONLY their heads

by paulmolark in

it has been 2 and a half years since my departure from the religion.

i was told by my parents from the start that i would never speak to them until i returned to jehovah dog.

a few months later they told people they hoped i died before the end came, then all of this culminating in them telling my inactive / fading sister that they don't consider me a child anymore and they have given me up to satan.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Religion is her chosen method of abuse. And the judgmentalism and hypocrisy of the cult makes it particularly useful to abusers.

Despite the fact that you were given the wonderful promise 2 1/2 years ago that you would be left alone, she had to come barging into your life with a hateful rant to trample the peace and prosperity that was blossoming in the absence of her and the crazy JW religion.

Yes that was evil, but I just do not really care anymore.

Then call me "evil", too. If she promised not to call, but then makes a bat$hit crazy call like that, she deserves whatever she gets.

As a fader, my family and circumstances are MASSIVELY different from yours. I understand and respect the efforts you made to try to fade, but your choice to DA is even more understandable and respectable. Cut that gangrene out of your life. While my mom can be somewhat controlling, I can't begin to imagine what life would have been like with such a toxic and abusive maternal unit. I say, "Three cheers to you for getting on with a successful life and family of your own!"

And as far as that call, the only reason it came is because you are doing everything RIGHT, and that drives your maternal unit and the JWs bat$hit crazy!

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Another Elevated Group of J.W.'s Now?

by The Searcher in

why are only pioneers allowed to do "metropolitan witnessing"?

why do they need "special training" to stand like a zombie for hours, speaking only to their fellow elite?.

even a pioneer's mother couldn't answer me!.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

I don't understand why they need to have anyone stand next to the litteratrash carts. WT printing presses could easily print up lots of these:

The two on the left are obviously defective since they lack ties and one has facial hair. Just stand some cardboard cutouts of the pioneers, let them count the time their cutouts are next to the cart, then let them go out and get jobs or attend college instead of wasting time standing around.

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Education makes you leave God

by FusionTheism in

quote from the watchtower, simplified edition, september 2015, "how can we show that we love jehovah?".

higher education often makes them lose their love for god..

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

The world encourages people to learn, but higher education often makes them lose their love for God.

There's another saying, "ignorance is bliss." In my case, ignorance was bliss for Watchtower Corp because I was a drone that would do whatever the JW clergymen told me. But it wasn't bliss for me. The cognitive dissonance was slowly and painfully killing me.

For me, "higher education" opened up to me "the truth". What WT had been teaching me turned out to be rubbish. And while I stopped attending JW cult brainwashing sessions at the same time I pursued worldly higher education, it wasn't really the higher education that made me lose whatever love for god I had. The fact that WT was nothing but lies and they claimed to be channeling the voice of god, how could I have any love for god after that?

Nope, don't blame my disbelief in god on higher education. WT Corp gets full credit for proving to me that GOD is simply an acronym for Grinding Oppression and Disillusionment.

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God is busy with his property portfolio

by snare&racket in

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one way i managed to de-programme myself was to imagine the god of the universe being behind the desicions watchtower were making.

it first came to me when barbara anderson described being in a lift in bethel discussing a property or land sale that didn't go through and her musing over gods involvement.. we are meant to believe that the god who made the universe is behind this...... http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/05/12/jehovahs-witnesses-fishkill-tax-exemption/27206609/.

it stinks of greed, business and grandiose expansion.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

As crazy-face Lett begs for money on the broadcast, WT Corp is "spending more than they're taking in", buying up luxury apartments and industrial real estate. Are they going to convert all of those into Kingdumb Hauls that can be used in Africa?

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2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

by Watchtower-Free in

this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Hey ToMo, thanks for bringing up Grampa there around the 20 sec point. Since the time my grandfathers bought into the WT message back in the 30s and 40s, they were promised they would never grow old and die... but they both died about 20 years ago. I should have realized then that WT is just a cult led by crazies that think they are channeling a Bronze Age god.

"... unless you're a toddler", eh? So when the kids are able to walk, it's time to get them baptized? And if they're old enough to drive, the parents should force them into baptism before they can get their license? Do you have a scripture for either of those statements? Or are you just pulling them from your own fat a$s and claiming you channeled it from your Bronze Age god?

I certainly don't recall the bible ever saying anything about drivers licenses, or cars, or airplanes, or nuclear fission, or lots of other things. I do recall the bible saying that the Bronze Age god wasn't able to defeat armies that had chariots with iron wheels. And I remember his law stating that a rape victim had to marry her rapist, which is pretty sick. ToMo, you might has well have said that if a toddler is old enough to get raped and forced to marry her rapist, she's old enough to force into baptism as a JW.

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Our hall is asking for money...

by thedepressedsoul in

i guess the branch isn't happy with the amount being sent each month since we are way lower than our loan amount.

we now have to another financial survey to see the max amount that can be given.

it is "encouraged" for all to be in attendance and give much forethought and consideration to the amount you can donate each month.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Stuff the donation box with these Chuck Bucks:

LInk to more: http://www.dannyhaszard.com/pickets/WT%24.htm

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Apost8News: "Return to Jehovah" Official Literature Release Video - 2015 Convention Lowlight

by cappytan in

again, thanks to wifibandit and pixel for their work behind the scenes.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwzviu3jfko.

Billy the Ex-Bethelite

And the thing is only 16 pages?

Clearly, even the GB couldn't come up with very many reasons that anybody would return to that cult!

I think this forum has come up with a library filled with reasons NOT to return. Kinda makes WT efforts look pretty pathetic.